i think that obama administration has set the tone that they will be there to bail people out. they bailed out general motors. they bailed out, you know, folks who couldn't pay their mortgages. they're helping people who can't pay for health insurance. i mean, the idea is that we can provide for people that can't provide for themselves. they've kind of set the tone that we'll be there to help you if you don't have the money for yourself. obama will be there on monday in detroit to answer personally whether he's planning to give the city any money. there's certainly precedent. it's happened before and it will happen against with the pension systems. >> greta: president ford did it with new york in the '70s. there's precedent. the problem is we don't have any money. >> we're out of money and i don't know where this ends. credit to the council woman. i think that's refreshing in politics. usually they're trying to be more tactful with these sorts of things. weesh out owe're out of money. obviously the prison and the democratic internet have some leverage but where does this end? w